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admin	January 6, 2013 3:45 PM
Posts: 710 Join Date: Dec 2010	More money maybe?
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user2013	January 16, 2013 9:09 AM
Posts: 12 Join Date: Sep 2011	more money? Girls migrate from cam4 to MFC or Chaturbate for a few reasons,more options to make more money.... also performer controls, the easy of controlling who can do what and when in her room ie moderators, kicking and silencing, and the most important thing is being paid on time and these sites don't penalize the performer for bad or fraudulent credit card transactions after the show and lastly and this is a biggy Customer Service. Im not sure about MFC but I do have first hand knowledge of Chaturbate's customer service is excellent. Yes they are having growing pains all good sites do but I have to give it to them. In my book they are the #1 cam site on the net....
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January 16, 2013 9:09 AM

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more money?

Girls migrate from cam4 to MFC or Chaturbate for a few reasons,more options to make more money.... also performer controls, the easy of controlling who can do what and when in her room ie moderators, kicking and silencing, and the most important thing is being paid on time and these sites don't penalize the performer for bad or fraudulent credit card transactions after the show and lastly and this is a biggy Customer Service. Im not sure about MFC but I do have first hand knowledge of Chaturbate's customer service is excellent. Yes they are having growing pains all good sites do but I have to give it to them. In my book they are the #1 cam site on the net....

admin	January 16, 2013 1:10 PM
Posts: 710 Join Date: Dec 2010	Wow, this answer is more detailed than I would have imagined. Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. Nevertheless, cam4 is very popular and I would think that a performer could make more money there. Customer Service, well when you have so many performers to take care of, that could be a problem for any provider. I'm not taking sides, I believe cam4 could be more than it is right now.
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user_388	January 17, 2013 5:01 PM
Posts: 10 Join Date: Mar 2012	One must wonder I use cam4 and chaturbate. I find chaturbate to be most annoying, extremely useless customer service and too expensive. CB provides little information about any aspect of their site, particularly the cost (to tippers) and return (to tipees) for tokens. Mods seem to be the same people on many cams, day and night. The mods ban and silence people for nothing. People who ban have no consequence for their actions - which border on illegal considering the service is a service, paid by tokens and consumers have rights with regard to the service. There are far too many icons and pics in the chat. Mods ban people for using them, while the mods use them incessantly. Who wants to pay tokens to performers when mods are out of control? The color coding of chatters, has developed an adverse relationship between chatters and performers - I've seen many situations of "grey" chatters being banned, silenced and verbally abuse for no reason other than they are "grey" aka, not holding tokens. From a consumer perspective, the minor things which are "better" or "improved" over cam4, are so minor.
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user_388

January 17, 2013 5:01 PM

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One must wonder

I use cam4 and chaturbate. I find chaturbate to be most annoying, extremely useless customer service and too expensive.

CB provides little information about any aspect of their site, particularly the cost (to tippers) and return (to tipees) for tokens.

Mods seem to be the same people on many cams, day and night. The mods ban and silence people for nothing. People who ban have no consequence for their actions - which border on illegal considering the service is a service, paid by tokens and consumers have rights with regard to the service.

There are far too many icons and pics in the chat. Mods ban people for using them, while the mods use them incessantly.

Who wants to pay tokens to performers when mods are out of control?

The color coding of chatters, has developed an adverse relationship between chatters and performers - I've seen many situations of "grey" chatters being banned, silenced and verbally abuse for no reason other than they are "grey" aka, not holding tokens.

From a consumer perspective, the minor things which are "better" or "improved" over cam4, are so minor.

user2013	January 18, 2013 9:54 AM
Posts: 12 Join Date: Sep 2011	One Must wonder Although, The topic of this post is " Why do girl switch from cam4 to myfreecams?" and I would add Chaturbate only because it's a new site only a year old and I have only used mfc a few times. I'm not sure if your a token buyer on cam4 or chaturbate,mfc it seems to me your not. I have purchased tokens on all three sites. I have also invited performers to cam4 and chaturbate. I have compared the performers dashboard/user settings with chaturbate, by far chaturbate wins hands down. But Im not here to rate the sites. I'm simply answering why I believe performers move on to other sites. To address your points in your post you said "I find chaturbate to be most annoying, extremely useless customer service and too expensive". I have first hand experience with customer service with cam4 and chaturbate. I won't go into great details or name staff names because it's its not productive to this posting. I can say that both sites have or are moving into a concentration phase of their business model meaning both are very popular and are going through growing pains with customer service issues because or the volume of viewers. With Chaturbate I just invited a performer to the site last night and with in an hour she was approved to for tokens. Another time a performer was having trouble with her tips. I sent an email out and within mins customer service was in the room tipping to see if it was working, she then escalated it to a tech rep that fixed the problem all with in 10 mins. On the other hand Cam4 by my experience is inconsistent at times. I have wrote letters to the staff suggesting improvements such as. Why performers that are approved for tokens have to pay a 20$ membership when they are making money for the site that didn't make any sense to me. I also know that cam4 has been granting free gold memberships on a case by case bases. Meaning they know its not right to charge so they make exceptions to the rule, self serving. Other sites for performers are free. So when you compare the cost of what your making and spending its an additional percentage that the performers are not getting, also issues with token charge backs. IE fraud Cam4 has been known to strip the performers of tokens paid to them without any explanation as to why this was subtracted from the performers pay. Token fraud is a security issue and should be in the backs of the site not the performer. Try and get an answer from them explaining why. The issues with Mods being over zealous or egotistical. that'd nature of the beast. I have modded in cam4 and in chaturbate and I must agree some mods are over bearing but it's up to the performer to un-mod them if she feels her mod is wild crazy person, it's the performers room not the moderator. When I see that I move on to another cam. Oh btw Mods in chaturbate can not ban only a performer can ban. in closing on this point I feel that most mods are just trying to keep a little order in the room by the rules of the performers bio/profile that most grey members don't read. Most grey color members are very rude and disruptive to say the least and if I'm a blue token buying member paying and a grey is viewing for free why shouldn't he be silenced if hes rude and disruptive. Also please take note that a ban is for 2 months and a silence for 6 hours. A performer can un-ban at anytime. Icons and pictures ie graphics. That is another performers option or users option to see it in the room or not. Simply turn it off. Color coding members names in the room is a performers management tool for her/him to distinguish who is in the room and their membership status. Again I stress the advantages for additional pay options in chaturbate " more options to make more money." 1. tokens 2. Affiliate link for referring new member sign up 3. Affiliate link for referring performers with pass through revenue sharing. 4. Performers Fan club monthly flat rate pay with user options to increase or decrease the flat rate 5. Private and group show token settings and minimal tokens you must have to start a group or private show. 6. Performer can sell her videos and pics for tokens 24/7 Lastly Chaturbate is partly open source meaning they will allow members to write html apps to help the performers make more money and also give the viewer an enhanced viewing experience FUN. I have no vested interest in any cam site. I don't make a dime from any site I even give my referrals to other girls or guys. I enjoy helping people and I'm just giving my fair assessment.
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user2013

January 18, 2013 9:54 AM

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One Must wonder

Although, The topic of this post is " Why do girl switch from cam4 to myfreecams?" and I would add Chaturbate only because it's a new site only a year old and I have only used mfc a few times. I'm not sure if your a token buyer on cam4 or chaturbate,mfc it seems to me your not. I have purchased tokens on all three sites. I have also invited performers to cam4 and chaturbate. I have compared the performers dashboard/user settings with chaturbate, by far chaturbate wins hands down. But Im not here to rate the sites. I'm simply answering why I believe performers move on to other sites.

To address your points in your post you said "I find chaturbate to be most annoying, extremely useless customer service and too expensive". I have first hand experience with customer service with cam4 and chaturbate. I won't go into great details or name staff names because it's its not productive to this posting. I can say that both sites have or are moving into a concentration phase of their business model meaning both are very popular and are going through growing pains with customer service issues because or the volume of viewers.

With Chaturbate I just invited a performer to the site last night and with in an hour she was approved to for tokens. Another time a performer was having trouble with her tips. I sent an email out and within mins customer service was in the room tipping to see if it was working, she then escalated it to a tech rep that fixed the problem all with in 10 mins.

On the other hand Cam4 by my experience is inconsistent at times. I have wrote letters to the staff suggesting improvements such as. Why performers that are approved for tokens have to pay a 20$ membership when they are making money for the site that didn't make any sense to me. I also know that cam4 has been granting free gold memberships on a case by case bases. Meaning they know its not right to charge so they make exceptions to the rule, self serving.

Other sites for performers are free. So when you compare the cost of what your making and spending its an additional percentage that the performers are not getting, also issues with token charge backs. IE fraud Cam4 has been known to strip the performers of tokens paid to them without any explanation as to why this was subtracted from the performers pay. Token fraud is a security issue and should be in the backs of the site not the performer. Try and get an answer from them explaining why.

The issues with Mods being over zealous or egotistical. that'd nature of the beast. I have modded in cam4 and in chaturbate and I must agree some mods are over bearing but it's up to the performer to un-mod them if she feels her mod is wild crazy person, it's the performers room not the moderator. When I see that I move on to another cam. Oh btw Mods in chaturbate can not ban only a performer can ban. in closing on this point I feel that most mods are just trying to keep a little order in the room by the rules of the performers bio/profile that most grey members don't read. Most grey color members are very rude and disruptive to say the least and if I'm a blue token buying member paying and a grey is viewing for free why shouldn't he be silenced if hes rude and disruptive. Also please take note that a ban is for 2 months and a silence for 6 hours. A performer can un-ban at anytime.

Icons and pictures ie graphics. That is another performers option or users option to see it in the room or not. Simply turn it off.

Color coding members names in the room is a performers management tool for her/him to distinguish who is in the room and their membership status. Again I stress the advantages for additional pay options in chaturbate " more options to make more money."
1. tokens
2. Affiliate link for referring new member sign up
3. Affiliate link for referring performers with pass through revenue sharing.
4. Performers Fan club monthly flat rate pay with user options to increase or decrease the flat rate
5. Private and group show token settings and minimal tokens you must have to start a group or private show.
6. Performer can sell her videos and pics for tokens 24/7

Lastly Chaturbate is partly open source meaning they will allow members to write html apps to help the performers make more money and also give the viewer an enhanced viewing experience FUN. I have no vested interest in any cam site. I don't make a dime from any site I even give my referrals to other girls or guys. I enjoy helping people and I'm just giving my fair assessment.

Tom	January 19, 2013 12:50 AM
Posts: 11 Join Date: Sep 2012	Originally Posted by Chaturbate is a new site, only a year old. Chaturbate is closer to two a bit past two years old. There is someone that has a last broadcast time of "1 year, 11 months." I recall accessing it in 2011 and their copyright says "2011 - 2013"
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admin	January 19, 2013 3:18 AM
Posts: 710 Join Date: Dec 2010	I have to agree a little with user_387: Originally Posted by user_387 The mods ban and silence people for nothing. Originally Posted by user_387 The color coding of chatters, has developed an adverse relationship between chatters and performers But, nevertheless, chaturbate looks and feels more like a quality service than cam4. MFC also has a good and dynamic interface than both cam4 and chaturbate. Originally Posted by ron On the other hand Cam4 by my experience is inconsistent at times I have to agree with ron on this one and many other observations. Not once I have tried contacting the cam4's stuff in vain. Still, cam4 seems to hold most of the viewers out there and I'm wondering if this isn't an important aspect to be considered.
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January 19, 2013 3:18 AM

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I have to agree a little with user_387:

Originally Posted by user_387
The mods ban and silence people for nothing.

Originally Posted by user_387
The color coding of chatters, has developed an adverse relationship between chatters and performers

But, nevertheless, chaturbate looks and feels more like a quality service than cam4. MFC also has a good and dynamic interface than both cam4 and chaturbate.

Originally Posted by ron
On the other hand Cam4 by my experience is inconsistent at times

I have to agree with ron on this one and many other observations. Not once I have tried contacting the cam4's stuff in vain.

Still, cam4 seems to hold most of the viewers out there and I'm wondering if this isn't an important aspect to be considered.

user_388	January 19, 2013 11:40 AM
Posts: 10 Join Date: Mar 2012	One Must Wonder Thanks Ron. Honestly, it sounds like you have a vested interest in Chaturbate, but I'll take your word at what you say. You are passionate about it. Yes, it was about why girls switch. I gave reasons why I stopped tipping the vast majority of performers, as a paying customer. So, for much of your reasons you gave as to why you like Chaturbate, I would add to my list for why don't I don't like CB as a paying customer. You're presumption of me is wrong. I have been a token buyer on both sites, and much prefer cam4. I have dealt with customer service with both. I have given detailed explanations with my issues, and screen shots. Cam4 responded appropriately (addressed the issue I presented) and immediately, while Chaturbate never addressed the issues I presented. CB only responded one time, and while timely, CB presented an excuse which did not have anything to do with the issue I presented. Nor did CB answer any of the questions I asked, or attend to any of the fundamental suggestions I made to improve a few aspects of their site. I have moderated numerous times on Cam4, but have not moderated on CB. I think it's better that cam4 now identifies the moderators. Generally people are kicked or silenced or banned on Cam4 for spam. Also true, as you that some moderators are aggerssive there, but I've seen a trend to un-mod those folks. I agree with you that on CB or Cam4, the aggressive moderation is the responsibility of the performer. Yet, CB seems far more aggressive, with people "silenced" constantly. Sure a lot of rude people. Some of the rudeness is a state of perception by people. I think reading all of that is valuable and helpful in a room. Silencing someone or banning should be last resort, IMHO. A performer can choose, and therefore I choose not to tip any of the performers when viewers are routinely silenced or banned. For those reasons, I have helped friends cam on Cam4, as well as CB. Their viewer (customer) response has been more robust and more lucrative on Cam4. Clearly two different opinions. I hope both sites work to improve and stay viable. Competition is the best engine for customers to get a better experience on a site. I will re-look MFC. :)
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January 19, 2013 11:40 AM

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Thanks Ron. Honestly, it sounds like you have a vested interest in Chaturbate, but I'll take your word at what you say. You are passionate about it. Yes, it was about why girls switch. I gave reasons why I stopped tipping the vast majority of performers, as a paying customer. So, for much of your reasons you gave as to why you like Chaturbate, I would add to my list for why don't I don't like CB as a paying customer.

You're presumption of me is wrong. I have been a token buyer on both sites, and much prefer cam4. I have dealt with customer service with both. I have given detailed explanations with my issues, and screen shots. Cam4 responded appropriately (addressed the issue I presented) and immediately, while Chaturbate never addressed the issues I presented. CB only responded one time, and while timely, CB presented an excuse which did not have anything to do with the issue I presented. Nor did CB answer any of the questions I asked, or attend to any of the fundamental suggestions I made to improve a few aspects of their site.

I have moderated numerous times on Cam4, but have not moderated on CB. I think it's better that cam4 now identifies the moderators. Generally people are kicked or silenced or banned on Cam4 for spam. Also true, as you that some moderators are aggerssive there, but I've seen a trend to un-mod those folks.

I agree with you that on CB or Cam4, the aggressive moderation is the responsibility of the performer. Yet, CB seems far more aggressive, with people "silenced" constantly. Sure a lot of rude people. Some of the rudeness is a state of perception by people. I think reading all of that is valuable and helpful in a room. Silencing someone or banning should be last resort, IMHO. A performer can choose, and therefore I choose not to tip any of the performers when viewers are routinely silenced or banned.

For those reasons, I have helped friends cam on Cam4, as well as CB. Their viewer (customer) response has been more robust and more lucrative on Cam4.

Clearly two different opinions. I hope both sites work to improve and stay viable. Competition is the best engine for customers to get a better experience on a site.

I will re-look MFC. :)

user_78	January 20, 2013 11:45 AM
Posts: 11 Join Date: Oct 2011	This is very interesting topic. I was big fan of cam4 until I recently discovered Chaturbate. I think that most people migrate from cam4 to chaturbate because they see better opportunity & because of great quality of video streaming! On cam4 I thought that I had bad connection, but when I saw how smooth video streaming was on Chaturbate, I realized that cam4 was problem. Also you can turn off graphics in chat. Mods can be crazy but in 99% cases, grays got banned because they are annoying/demanding/insulting (I am grey and I`ve never been banned & yes i like to chat a lot with models)
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January 20, 2013 11:45 AM

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This is very interesting topic. I was big fan of cam4 until I recently discovered Chaturbate. I think that most people migrate from cam4 to chaturbate because they see better opportunity & because of great quality of video streaming!

On cam4 I thought that I had bad connection, but when I saw how smooth video streaming was on Chaturbate, I realized that cam4 was problem.

Also you can turn off graphics in chat. Mods can be crazy but in 99% cases, grays got banned because they are annoying/demanding/insulting (I am grey and I`ve never been banned & yes i like to chat a lot with models)

user2013	January 23, 2013 9:27 AM
Posts: 12 Join Date: Sep 2011	Why do girl switch from cam4 to myfreecams Thanks to User_77 for your comments. As I said before to User_387 I have no special interest in Chaturbate as you can see in my profile and listed cams that I follow. Im here to give my honest and complete observation of the sites. Your a grey member and you totally get what I'm saying performers migrate for many reasons and as you well know and have seen if a performer has to pay 50% of her earnings to a site for token traffic, the site should give them a smooth user friendly interface and maximize their ability to earn more cash. As of now chaturbate fills that need. Other sites could have done the same. They decided to max the site out with performers then add features which to me is keeping them behind the power curve and they can never get caught up. Its not about who is the best cam site on the net, it's about who can deliver a quality produce, with the best user interface and finally maximum pay opportunities. Thank you for your posting..
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January 23, 2013 9:27 AM

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Why do girl switch from cam4 to myfreecams

Thanks to User_77 for your comments. As I said before to User_387 I have no special interest in Chaturbate as you can see in my profile and listed cams that I follow. Im here to give my honest and complete observation of the sites. Your a grey member and you totally get what I'm saying performers migrate for many reasons and as you well know and have seen if a performer has to pay 50% of her earnings to a site for token traffic, the site should give them a smooth user friendly interface and maximize their ability to earn more cash. As of now chaturbate fills that need. Other sites could have done the same. They decided to max the site out with performers then add features which to me is keeping them behind the power curve and they can never get caught up. Its not about who is the best cam site on the net, it's about who can deliver a quality produce, with the best user interface and finally maximum pay opportunities. Thank you for your posting..

user_78	January 23, 2013 9:31 AM
Posts: 11 Join Date: Oct 2011	I think that next step in cam world is for sites to disable broadcaster to do shows on various sites in same time.
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CamCritic	February 13, 2014 11:33 PM
Posts: 20 Join Date: Jan 2012	Why do girl switch from cam4 to myfreecams Originally Posted by user_78 I think that next step in cam world is for sites to disable broadcaster to do shows on various sites in same time. Just a quick observation but notice that many go in to private mode in both cam4 and chatubate but not private at the same time in both, (and it is not always the dumb blonde) however nothing changes the are just sat there just the same as they were when they went in to private mode, surely they realize that visitors pop back and fore the sites don't they? I mean don't they?
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February 13, 2014 11:33 PM

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Why do girl switch from cam4 to myfreecams

Originally Posted by user_78
I think that next step in cam world is for sites to disable broadcaster to do shows on various sites in same time.

Just a quick observation but notice that many go in to private mode in both cam4 and chatubate but not private at the same time in both, (and it is not always the dumb blonde) however nothing changes the are just sat there just the same as they were when they went in to private mode, surely they realize that visitors pop back and fore the sites don't they? I mean don't they?

Tom	February 14, 2014 12:16 AM
Posts: 11 Join Date: Sep 2012	Originally Posted by user_388 I use cam4 and chaturbate. I find chaturbate to be most annoying. CAM4 often ignores or even worse doesn't have dialog with me when responding to discuss an issue brought up. Chaturbate usually replies or continues on with the issue if there are follow up questions or discussion about a matter. Chaturbate doesn't get to their e-mails regularly, as they answer at the same time of day, everyday. CAM4 does have the automated sent out in about ten minutes and if I get a reply it is shortly after that.
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February 14, 2014 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by user_388
I use cam4 and chaturbate. I find chaturbate to be most annoying.

CAM4 often ignores or even worse doesn't have dialog with me when responding to discuss an issue brought up. Chaturbate usually replies or continues on with the issue if there are follow up questions or discussion about a matter.

Chaturbate doesn't get to their e-mails regularly, as they answer at the same time of day, everyday.

CAM4 does have the automated sent out in about ten minutes and if I get a reply it is shortly after that.

CamCritic	February 25, 2014 11:34 PM
Posts: 20 Join Date: Jan 2012	Originally Posted by user_78 I think that next step in cam world is for sites to disable broadcaster to do shows on various sites in same time. That would be a good idea but I think perhaps impossible to implement unless of course they could detect cam splitter, or monitored the performers activity, but I personally would like that to be implemented.
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